Rating system for escorts / More safety for clients

dreamer62 shared this idea 20 months ago
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Hi guys, the original wish here was about a forum for users to discuss escorts. That wish was declined for various reasons (please see the comments below). However, we have re-opened this wish now for reviewing because we have had some interesting ideas that differ slightly from the original wish. I have put these ideas here for you all to read and comment on:


Why not implement some kind of points rating instead, basically a bit like the "known by [X] users" function?


This solution could be something like the chance to chose "recommend" or "not recommend/warn", offset with each other and resulting in a "recommended value" stat.


To prevent misuse activities by single users, there simply could be some aspects which help to get a more realistic result:


- Of course, every user should only be able to do one (non-)recommendation per escort, maybe with the option to cancel his first choice later and change it if situation changed as well, just like the votings here in the threads.


- Also every user would only be able to do a specific number of total ratings for various escorts in a specific time period, for example three per month. This would minimize unjust ratings - both from frustrated users downvoting escorts generally and also too many fake positive ratings from gangs and criminal clans.


- If a profile is deleted by Romeo or the escort himself, a recommendation voting someone did for him would be "restored". So even if a user's monthly votings would be spent already, this rule would make it possible to use a voting again, for example if the escort creates a new profile short time later (which happens more and more often).


- A first "recommended" value would only be shown publicly after a specific number of users have made their personal vote (like done on several rating platforms, for example about doctors). This would minimize the influence of single revenge votings and also of favour votings by accomplices of criminal escorts.


Though these options might not help to warn potential clients right from the beginning when a new profile was created, they at least would be a big help after some time, when the average rating value would be shown publicly.


And the escort wouldn't have a chance to manipulate or simply deactivate this value, like he can unfortunately with individual guest book entries and even the guest book in total.


[Original Wish:


Hello and good afternoon

I would like to ask the following question:

Why is there no way in GR in a forum as an example to discuss the criminal machinations escorts. Because there are more and more Eastern European escorts that open up a profile to help the users with various tricks the money. There are always less serious escorts on GR.

Through such a forum, the criminal activities of some of the escorts have probably decreased a lot if they know that there is such a forum and they are therefore less booked.


Greetings Peter]

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Hello and good afternoon


I would like to ask the following question:


Why is there no way in GR in a forum as an example to discuss the criminal machinations escorts. Because there are more and more Eastern European escorts that open up a profile to help the users with various tricks the money. There are always less serious escorts on GR.


Through such a forum, the criminal activities of some of the escorts have probably decreased a lot if they know that there is such a forum and they are therefore less booked.


Greetings Peter

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Hi there,


thank you for this wish.


unfortunately the problem with forums such as this is that they can be very easily abused for the wrong reasons. It is just as likely that people would use the forum to defame escorts who haven't done anything criminal. We such behaviour on a daily basis on our platform, and therefore a forum about this would certainly not be reliable to get information about escorts.

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OK but thats not fair to the user... that is to say the escorts can do further criminal activities regardless ofAnd the users who meet escorts, will increasingly be faced with criminal activities...so, indirectly, is supporting the crime. because the escorts know that you have nothing to worry about...


Lovely Regards..

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You are of course able to report escorts, both directly to us, through the report button, or if you feel you have been a victim of criminal offence, to your local law enforcement agency.


Unfortunately forums to discuss other users, escorts or not, would simply not be possible.

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Nonetheless, when visiting an escort's profile, there needs to be a possibility to at least get a basic impression about his probable seriousity and reliability.

Same as dreamer62, I also got the impression that the amount of unserious ecorts has increased DRAMATICALLY.

And as meanwhile about 95% of new escorts start their profiles directly with deactivated guest book, a potential client never gets the chance to see any feedback - apart from the fact that even if guest book is activated, negative entries easily can be deleted by the profile owner.

Besides that, reporting an escort can only be a *reaction* if one already has been tricked, scammed or deceived, but there needs to be any chance of warning *before* it comes to this point when all is too late already. With criminal escorts, there always is a first client who gets deceived, maybe also a second or third one - but then there should be an option to at least warn future clients.

Reporting doesn't seem an adequate solution here, especially because reporting info says that the reason for the report has to be obvious in the profile itself. How should that work if the criminal activity in most cases lies in the criminal *behaviour* of an escort?

And about contacting law enforcement agencies: Let's stay realistic. How many clients will decide to do so after they have been cheated by an unserious escort, maybe even from another country or continent?

Generally, I think there is a difference between unserious "normal" users and unserious escorts, as in contact with the latter, we are talking of commercial service where money plays a major role. This means that unserious behaviour of escorts does not only imply disappointment (as in most cases with unserious "normal" users) but even serious financial consequences for the potential client.

So keeping these aspects in mind, I really think some measurement would be necessary for escorts in particular.

I understand your point about a forum, but that wouldn't be the only possible solution.

Why not implement some kind of points rating instead, basically a bit like the "known by [X] users" function?

This solution could be something like the chance to chose "recommend" or "not recommend/warn", offset with each other and resulting in a "recommended value" stat.

To prevent misuse activities by single users, there simply could be some aspects which help to get a more realistic result:

- Of course, every user should only be able to do one (non-)recommendation per escort, maybe with the option to cancel his first choice later and change it if situation changed as well, just like the votings here in the threads.

- Also every user would only be able to do a specific number of total ratings for various escorts in a specific time period, for example three per month. This would minimize unjust ratings - both from frustrated users downvoting escorts generally and also too many fake positive ratings from gangs and criminal clans.

- If a profile is deleted by Romeo or the escort himself, a recommendation voting someone did for him would be "restored". So even if a user's monthly votings would be spent already, this rule would make it possible to use a voting again, for example if the escort creates a new profile short time later (which happens more and more often).

- A first "recommended" value would only be shown publicly after a specific number of users have made their personal vote (like done on several rating platforms, for example about doctors). This would minimize the influence of single revenge votings and also of favour votings by accomplices of criminal escorts.

Though these options might not help to warn potential clients right from the beginning when a new profile was created, they at least would be a big help after some time, when the average rating value would be shown publicly.

And the escort wouldn't have a chance to manipulate or simply deactivate this value, like he can unfortunately with individual guest book entries and even the guest book in total.

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Thanks


yes Ithink this can be a good Idea...

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Hey,

I think this is a very interesting idea and something that we will look into. I will reopen this wish with an explanation at the top (please check this and see if you guys are happy with it!).


P.S @Scatering I hope it is ok that I have copied and pasted some of your original text into the main text of the wish.

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Heya,


yes, I'm totally fine with that. Thank you very much for re-opening this thread/idea, as for client security reasons it really is an important topic.


Just a proposal from my side:

To make it more clear in the title that we are not just talking of some "hot or not" ratings here, maybe the title could reflect that as well: "Rating system for escorts / More safety for clients" or something like that. Not sure how many letters are allowed for titles, but in my eyes it would make sense to mention the security focus in the title, too.


But again, anyway thanks a lot (!!) for re-opening and considering the idea now! :-)

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You are welcome and the title has been changed :)

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As an additional rule, this one also makes sense in my eyes:

- Escorts should generally not be able to do such votings (no matter if positive or negative); only "normal" users should be allowed to do recommending or warning ratings for escorts.

As experience shows, there seem to exist specific clans (mainly from specific countries) who obviously prefer to create several new escort profiles in short time and regularly - primarily for scamming potential clients. With this rule mentioned here, all their fake escort profiles wouldn't help them at all to get false positive votes (by rating each other).

My hope is that it simply would mean too much effort for those criminals to not only create fake escort profiles, but also many "normal" ones, just to get fake positive votings.

Besides this hope, also a neutral algorithm could control if profile activity is mostly limited to giving positive votes. Or would that imply any privacy problems? Would it technically be possible? I am not really fit in these IT things. :")

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I strongly oppose a rating system for escorts. When I have declined a client (because they have repeatedly hassled me to lower my prices for them / because they are rude or abusive / because I have concerns about my safety) occasionally they have attempted to leave a negative review of our encounter (despite the fact we never met) as a form of revenge. Thankfully I have to approve my reviews and they therefore do me no damage. If clients were able to 'rate' me I would not be able to protect myself from this kind of revenge review.

There is already a mechanism for clients to check how genuine an escort is - the guestbook. A good escort is likely to have a number of guestbook entries from other Romeo members. I personally have seven entries, some escorts that have been on Romeo a long time have upwards of 40. If an escort has a closed guestbook (or no reviews) then you are right to treat them with caution and ask extra questions to ensure you are getting a genuine service.

If I could recommend anything it would be that Romeo encourage members to leave guestbook entries for escorts. It's always a challenge to get clients to leave reviews, despite how important they are for guiding and informing other members.


It may also be an idea to display the age of an escort profile so it is easy to distinguish between genuine escorts that have been on the site for years, and newly created escort profiles.

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Hello TobyFoxx,


thank you for bringing an additional perspective into the discussion.


I absolutely understand your point about "revenge downvotings".

I am not an escort myself, but in my everyday job my and my colleagues' work also gets somehow rated by customers. This can be really frustrating from time to time (especially when customers use this rating tool to express general discontent which has nothing to do with my personal contribution to the work).

So I know very well what you mean when you say that as an escort you'd like to prevent being downvoted falsely just because someone wants to impair you and damage your chances to find clients for unjustified reasons.


On the other hand, I'm afraid that the solution you referred to - the guest book - is not a reliable and satisfactory one.

Of course you are right in saying that long-term escorts sometimes have dozens of entries in their GBs. And yes, these may be a solid basis for assessing an escort's reliability and seriousity.

But unfortunately, meanwhile most escorts decide to start their profiles with deactivated GBs (I suppose at least 90%). By far not all of these guys are unserious or even criminal:


Some may have made bad experiences with annoying GB entries in the past,

or they don't have time (or don't want) to check their GBs regularly for inadequate or revenge-motivated entries and delete those,

or simply stupid nowhere-leading "greeting" entries get on their nerves,

or they are tired of users begging to get contacted by the escort,

or...


I think it's clear that there can be an endless number of justified reasons why escorts deactivate their GBs - but all these reasons result in the fact that potencial clients have no chance to use this way of verification.

That is why I proposed an additional option of ratings which lead to a summed up average value of recommendation.

Concerning possible abuse by revenge votings, please keep in mind what I proposed earlier in this thread:


"- Of course, every user should only be able to do one (non-)recommendation per escort, maybe with the option to cancel his first choice later and change it if situation changed as well, just like the votings here in the threads.


- Also every user would only be able to do a specific number of total ratings for various escorts in a specific time period, for example three per month. This would minimize unjust ratings - both from frustrated users downvoting escorts generally and also too many fake positive ratings from gangs and criminal clans.


- A first "recommended" value would only be shown publicly after a specific number of users have made their personal vote (like done on several rating platforms, for example about doctors). This would minimize the influence of single revenge votings and also of favour votings by accomplices of criminal escorts."


These proposals could also get modified to prevent misusive votings even better:


- After (for example) ten users have made their vote, the ratings result would not just be shown summed up, but also in detail with all votes given (e.g. like on Amazon where you can see how many users made which specific rating). Then any potential client could clearly see that for example 12 votes were very high and only one voted down.


- If single ratings differ obviously from the vast majority of other votings, the negative vote could be counted less when summing up for the average value. For example, if an escort gets 19 good or very good ratings, and one user votes him down, this voting wouldn't be counted 5% (as it usually would be as one out of 20) but only 2,5% or even less.


- The recommendation value could also be divided into several individual aspects, such as "escort keeps his word on preceding agreements", "takes his time for the client", "works honestly, clean and responsibly", "shows up reliably" or things like that. Then potential clients would get an even wider impression, and on the other hand envious downvotings in all of these aspects would stand out more clearly as unjustified.

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This seems a very complicated way of fixing something that isn't broken.

There is a guestbook feature which enables reviews to be left.


  • If an escort turns off his guestbook you have every cause to be suspicious. If I was a client I would not pick an escort with a disabled guestbook.
  • If a guestbook was open but had no reviews I would proceed with caution, knowing that the escort was either untested, or had only recieved bad reviews which they have deleted.
  • If a guesbook has 20 reviews dating back to 2013 you know they're highly likely to be trustworthy.


Ther only thing I would like to see Romeo do is start with escort guestbooks turned on by default (rather than starting with them disabled by default). Also, I would like to see the word 'Guestbook' replaced with the word 'Reviews' so it is clear to users that they can leave reviews of escorts. Both these measures would increase the number of escort reviews on the site.

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We will keep you posted on the system that will be usable on Hunqz in the near future.

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Hello, i think this option of recomand or non recommanded escort is a good idea and of corse need to take some precaution with it like explaine in the description. And this option shoud not have the abality to be disable.

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How about this idea: if a client and a escort want to date, one of them could press a "We will date" button and the other one can confirm this. And after the date the client can rate the escort (maybe with a reminder to rate). So ratings would be only able, if there was really a date.

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The current rating mechanism with stars is really bad. I had 4 stars out of 5 from 7 real ratings. Suddenly I received a fake rating from an anonymous user, and my stars dropped to 3. I support the Idea of Haplo above, but I would do it in a different way: once the escort has met with the user, the escort should be able to send a request to the user to rate him. That might also generate more ratings, because many clients never think of rating or leaving a comment.

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There is a new threat for the new rating system, so please write THERE and not here. This threat was before a rating-system was included and is OLD:


https://wish.planetromeo.com/topic/hunqz-ratings-by-none-customers

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